The reffing was terrible, and the worst part about the refereeing is it gives Garth an excuse for losing, but the fact is if we even just execute the basics like running and tackling hard we win that game regardless of some of the calls. Ash is starting to play like Hayne, looks like he wants to sook and go back to the Broncos, should be stamping his authority on games and forcing his way into the Qld side. Just hope we've chosen the right half in the long term out of Kane and ash
Round 18: TITANS v ROOSTERS
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DIEHARD
Administrator
Cruel end to finals bid
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THE Titans’ are now playing for pride after their slim mathematical chances of making the NRL finals all but disappeared following a 20-12 loss to a severely undermanned Roosters side whose three debutants all crossed for tries.
In another match dominated by penalties and referee decisions, the Roosters were awarded a contentious try despite Sean O’Sullivan seeming to knock the ball on after a desperate one-on-one strip by Jarrod Wallace.
O’Sullivan, one of four debutants in last night’s match – along with teammates Paul Momirovski and Poasa Faamausili and Gold Coast front-rower Jai Whitbread, who came in for injured Origin front-rower Jai Arrow – put his head in his hands when he grounded the ball, believing he had not scored.
But in a baffling decision that eventually shut the Titans out of the game, the bunker awarded the try, ruling no knock-on.
Titans coach Garth Brennan and captain Ryan James struggled to articulate their frustration at the decision without criticising referees.
“I thought the player was the best judge of what happened,” James said.
“He even knew that he hadn’t scored a try.”
Brennan refused to comment on the decision more than to say the bunker had made the decision.
“It’s very frustrating, it’s very frustrating,” Brennan said.
But Roosters coach Trent Robinson felt it was a try, agreeing with the bunker ruling that the player lost the ball into the goal pad and grounded the rebound.
With 18 penalties and two sin binnings – one for each side – the referees were at their pedantic best in a stopstart game that failed to flow for most of the match.
O’Sullivan’s try gave the Roosters a halftime lead and it was increased further when Faamausili scored in the 58th minute, although Jarrod Wallace cut the lead back to eight when he charged over shortly after.
Wallace was denied late in the match when Ryan James was deemed to have obstructed Jared Waerea-Hargreaves and while the Titans pushed late, it was ultimately their own errors that cost them a win that could have kept them in the finals hunt.
“If I was a coach that had a more senior roster that wasn’t aiming up I’d be worried,” Brennan said.
“I’ve never made a prediction about where we’re going to finish, I just want us to get better.
“It probably is very difficult for us to make the semis.
“Last week wasn’t acceptable, that was up there as disappointing as the Dragons game was.
“Last week we got what we got what we deserved but today we were better.”
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THE Titans’ are now playing for pride after their slim mathematical chances of making the NRL finals all but disappeared following a 20-12 loss to a severely undermanned Roosters side whose three debutants all crossed for tries.
In another match dominated by penalties and referee decisions, the Roosters were awarded a contentious try despite Sean O’Sullivan seeming to knock the ball on after a desperate one-on-one strip by Jarrod Wallace.
O’Sullivan, one of four debutants in last night’s match – along with teammates Paul Momirovski and Poasa Faamausili and Gold Coast front-rower Jai Whitbread, who came in for injured Origin front-rower Jai Arrow – put his head in his hands when he grounded the ball, believing he had not scored.
But in a baffling decision that eventually shut the Titans out of the game, the bunker awarded the try, ruling no knock-on.
Titans coach Garth Brennan and captain Ryan James struggled to articulate their frustration at the decision without criticising referees.
“I thought the player was the best judge of what happened,” James said.
“He even knew that he hadn’t scored a try.”
Brennan refused to comment on the decision more than to say the bunker had made the decision.
“It’s very frustrating, it’s very frustrating,” Brennan said.
But Roosters coach Trent Robinson felt it was a try, agreeing with the bunker ruling that the player lost the ball into the goal pad and grounded the rebound.
With 18 penalties and two sin binnings – one for each side – the referees were at their pedantic best in a stopstart game that failed to flow for most of the match.
O’Sullivan’s try gave the Roosters a halftime lead and it was increased further when Faamausili scored in the 58th minute, although Jarrod Wallace cut the lead back to eight when he charged over shortly after.
Wallace was denied late in the match when Ryan James was deemed to have obstructed Jared Waerea-Hargreaves and while the Titans pushed late, it was ultimately their own errors that cost them a win that could have kept them in the finals hunt.
“If I was a coach that had a more senior roster that wasn’t aiming up I’d be worried,” Brennan said.
“I’ve never made a prediction about where we’re going to finish, I just want us to get better.
“It probably is very difficult for us to make the semis.
“Last week wasn’t acceptable, that was up there as disappointing as the Dragons game was.
“Last week we got what we got what we deserved but today we were better.”
DIEHARD
Administrator
TITANS’ FIVE BEST
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JARROD WALLACE
Backed up superbly from Origin despite looking gassed early, almost sealing the win after scoring a try and having another denied. Ran for almost 100m, made 30 tackles and was tireless.
MOEAKI FOTUAIKA
Emerging as one of the Titans great success stories this season and scored his maiden NRL try last night. Made 107m and 33 tackles and again earnt praise from coach Garth Brennan for his efforts.
AJ BRIMSON
In his third game in seven days was outstanding, standing up to take pressure off Ash Taylor, who had another game to forget. With three tackle breaks, two offloads and one linebreak assist, showed he has plenty of strings to his bow. But his best asset may be his defence.
RYAN JAMES
The captain had yet another dependable game, making 123m and 35 tackles in an effort that has become as regular as clockwork. The effort by James after what would have been an emotional week in camp with the NSW Blues as 18th man was outstanding.
JAI WHITBREAD
May not have had the best stats or the flashiest plays but was solid in his NRL debut, just days after turning out for NSW in the under-20 Origin clash. Along with Fotuaika, Brimson and Phillip Sami, Whitbread is seen as the future of the club.
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JARROD WALLACE
Backed up superbly from Origin despite looking gassed early, almost sealing the win after scoring a try and having another denied. Ran for almost 100m, made 30 tackles and was tireless.
MOEAKI FOTUAIKA
Emerging as one of the Titans great success stories this season and scored his maiden NRL try last night. Made 107m and 33 tackles and again earnt praise from coach Garth Brennan for his efforts.
AJ BRIMSON
In his third game in seven days was outstanding, standing up to take pressure off Ash Taylor, who had another game to forget. With three tackle breaks, two offloads and one linebreak assist, showed he has plenty of strings to his bow. But his best asset may be his defence.
RYAN JAMES
The captain had yet another dependable game, making 123m and 35 tackles in an effort that has become as regular as clockwork. The effort by James after what would have been an emotional week in camp with the NSW Blues as 18th man was outstanding.
JAI WHITBREAD
May not have had the best stats or the flashiest plays but was solid in his NRL debut, just days after turning out for NSW in the under-20 Origin clash. Along with Fotuaika, Brimson and Phillip Sami, Whitbread is seen as the future of the club.
shamus
Rep Player
A hyperthetical......The defending team has a man in the bin, the opposition are about to score and the defender strips the ball, the attacker regathers after knocking on (twice) and appears to score. Referee says to the bunker "check it, if no try defender was offside"..So bunker thinks if I don't award the try this defender is going to the bin and this team will be down to 11.
6 points versus ??
Yeah I know.....But that is what instantly came to mind when I heard the ref state Wallace was offside. Coz this bloke was going to score without Wallace there.
6 points versus ??
Yeah I know.....But that is what instantly came to mind when I heard the ref state Wallace was offside. Coz this bloke was going to score without Wallace there.
DavidBouveng
Coach
yeah we definitely lose him to the bin if it wasn't a try
Menoitios
QLD Cup
This year was always about building for the future. That's what Brennan has to focus on.
The good news is...if the refs weren't screwing up so much, this young side of ours would be winning more games. That's a good thing moving forward. Even through these hard to take robberies, if Brennan is a good coach he will be able to instill a lot of confidence in our young blokes and they will be stronger for it next year.
JMO, but i'm more than quietly looking forward to next year as well as the rest of this year. The finals are gone so now it's about character building and confidence bolstering from inside. We have a good crop of young players and all this experience can only be a good thing for next year.
The good news is...if the refs weren't screwing up so much, this young side of ours would be winning more games. That's a good thing moving forward. Even through these hard to take robberies, if Brennan is a good coach he will be able to instill a lot of confidence in our young blokes and they will be stronger for it next year.
JMO, but i'm more than quietly looking forward to next year as well as the rest of this year. The finals are gone so now it's about character building and confidence bolstering from inside. We have a good crop of young players and all this experience can only be a good thing for next year.
I tend to agree but.. He isn't trying anything new which frustrates me. If we don't see some changes this week after that awful performance, then we never will. He appears to be a very stubborn man - even in that last presser he eluded to the fact that nothing will change in the halves. He set the bar regarding standards earlier in the season but some players appear to be off limits and he plays favourites. There's no doubt that Ash could one day be a great player but we can't keep letting him play like that until he finds his groove again. Try something new.
The side isn't that young. Everyone is acting like they are Newcastle from the previous two years. Yes he's a young coach, but there's a lot of experience in that team. I think the biggest problem is he is selecting the wrong players.
JunctionBlock
Moderator
I wouldn't change too much if I was Brennan. Bring Arrow and Hipgrave back. Drop Matthews. If Rein isn't signing for next year then get another forward on the bench (maybe Boyles cut will be healed up). Play the team we will be reliant on next year minus the likes of Peachey and possibly Roberts.
If we can't find a rhythm in the next 6 games then I hope they have pllan B.
If we can't find a rhythm in the next 6 games then I hope they have pllan B.
Mr Bods
Inactive User
Brennan last week blames Not having Wallace/Arrow when the Drongoes had 7 out and yesterday he uses we are a young team as an excuse when we lose to an incredibly depleted opposition.
To me the following players from yesterday don’t fall into the “young category”
Gordon, Don, Hurrell, Peats, James, Matthews, Proctor, Wallace, Stockwell, Latu, Rein.
So 11 of the 17 are not young. I’m starting to lose it big time with this guy.
He’s stubborn, he plays favourites, player development is minimal and possibly negative and he’s an excuse maker.
Before this place goes into meltdown I’m not saying sack him I’m 12 months away from saying that I’m just expressing my concerns that get bigger by the week.
To me the following players from yesterday don’t fall into the “young category”
Gordon, Don, Hurrell, Peats, James, Matthews, Proctor, Wallace, Stockwell, Latu, Rein.
So 11 of the 17 are not young. I’m starting to lose it big time with this guy.
He’s stubborn, he plays favourites, player development is minimal and possibly negative and he’s an excuse maker.
Before this place goes into meltdown I’m not saying sack him I’m 12 months away from saying that I’m just expressing my concerns that get bigger by the week.
JunctionBlock
Moderator
I think he said he doesn't want to blame not having origin players against the Broncos and pretty much blamed the refs yesterday. When you start getting your ass handed to you by the bunker and then a forward pass leading to a try and refs that won't give the captain the time of day and actually let play start when the captain is questioning the ref I'd say there are plenty of reasons for any side not to turn up.
I sit there watching some of these calls and wonder what would happen if we just walked off the field as a team? If the refs aren't going to give you a fair game then don't give them a game. Let the NRL and refs deal with those headlines for a few weeks.
I come to work and I listen to peoples remarks about us getting robbed and I ask them, "Do you realise what this does to a club like ours? The most die hard fans on the forums want to walk away from the game, dedicated contributors want to give up on keeping track of our junior development because of trash like this. People on social media mock the game that they have loved so much due to these "bad calls" but we'll see the same stuff next week. It rocks to the heart of a small club like ours and yet the Roosters, with all their money and solidarity, get to go on swimmingly and claim a win that isn't rightfully theirs. The NRL may or may not say they got it wrong but it doesn't matter, damage was done on the field and flows on to off field when people walk away."
I sit there watching some of these calls and wonder what would happen if we just walked off the field as a team? If the refs aren't going to give you a fair game then don't give them a game. Let the NRL and refs deal with those headlines for a few weeks.
I come to work and I listen to peoples remarks about us getting robbed and I ask them, "Do you realise what this does to a club like ours? The most die hard fans on the forums want to walk away from the game, dedicated contributors want to give up on keeping track of our junior development because of trash like this. People on social media mock the game that they have loved so much due to these "bad calls" but we'll see the same stuff next week. It rocks to the heart of a small club like ours and yet the Roosters, with all their money and solidarity, get to go on swimmingly and claim a win that isn't rightfully theirs. The NRL may or may not say they got it wrong but it doesn't matter, damage was done on the field and flows on to off field when people walk away."
DavidBouveng
Coach
A+
i also wonder if James just says screw this, you don't want to play fair then we out... but it would just make it worse for him and the club... but i do think he would be entitled to do it sometimes and would love to see the NRL deal with it.
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Mr Bods
Inactive User
^^^ Gus Gould once told his Penrith team to walk off the field at Brookvale and the players elected to keep playing and suck it up.
JB back to your post which I wholeheartedly agree with except I believe when a coach says “it’s no excuse but.....” well in my mind he’s making excuses.
JB back to your post which I wholeheartedly agree with except I believe when a coach says “it’s no excuse but.....” well in my mind he’s making excuses.
Titanic
Immortal
JB, that last paragraph of your post should be sent to the NRL and copied into the Titans ... couldn't agree more!
Agreed
DIEHARD
Administrator
This is absolutely true. You nailed it sir.
We are already IN, but for people on the outside looking in at our club. I'm not sure many people would be willing to make that leap.
I guess that is why our Membership Promo for 2018 looked like this...
Smile guys. :laugh:
DIEHARD
Administrator
This is how I feel as a Titan fan.
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Hide The Pain Harold, also simply referred to as "Harold" or "Maurice" is the nickname given to a senior stock photography model whose facial expression appears to indicate suppressed pain and/or discomfort.
:laugh:
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Hide The Pain Harold, also simply referred to as "Harold" or "Maurice" is the nickname given to a senior stock photography model whose facial expression appears to indicate suppressed pain and/or discomfort.
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DIEHARD
Administrator
"However, once it touched the ground it constituted a knock on and should have been ruled that way."
The referees' boss has given his verdict on that supposed 33rd minute try.
Roosters offer mixed views on Bunker blunder try
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Even the Sydney Roosters players are a little confused over whether teammate Sean O'Sullivan scored a try in his first NRL game, with winger Danial Tupou confessing it was "a lucky one".
As the Roosters were collecting their bags from the Sydney airport baggage carousel on Monday after arriving home from the 20-12 win over the Gold Coast, NRL referees boss Bernard Sutton was ruling that the 33rd-minute should have been disallowed.
He said the officials had determined that because the ball slid down the goal post behind O'Sullivan, it had been knocked backward. That was the position Roosters coach Trent Robinson maintained on Sunday in the post-match press conference and again to reporters on Monday.
"However, once it touched the ground it constituted a knock on and should have been ruled that way," Sutton said.
It had no bearing on the final result, but the controversy raged. Roosters players seemed to be having a bet each-way 24 hours after the match.
"I reckon it was a lucky try, meaning that we'd never seen one like that," Tupou told NRL.com.
"Again I'm happy it got the green light because of the occasion – it was his debut and it was a close game."
Five-eighth Luke Keary wants a closer look at the replays again.
"I don't know, I haven't watched it back," Keary said on Monday. "But just from looking at it on the big screen we thought it was a try. I'd have to watch it back I reckon."
Lock Isaac Liu was willing to pass the judgment to higher authorities.
"Well the refs called it and I thought he did re-gather it," he said. "But it's on the refs – they called it."
Liu was firm in the belief of the win's significance – an away match with five key players out and three debutants in the line-up.
"Definitely it was a good win for us. We trained well and we wanted to play that Roosters footy even with the new boys in there and they did well," he said.
"It was crazy with all three [debutants] scoring tries. ... I was thinking 'Man this is a good win here'. All three scoring was pretty special."
Sutton also gave his version of events on a separate ruling that had Sea Eagles fans up in arms, when backrower Joel Thompson was ruled offside in the 14-13 loss to Storm on Saturday.
Sutton said the officials had made the correct call.
He said the ball travelled forward off Trent Hodkinson to Thompson, who was in an offside position. Thompson deliberately played at the ball from an offside position.
"So it was a correct decision to award a penalty to the Storm," Sutton said.
Sutton also said the passes leading to tries by Poasa Faamausili [Roosters] and Suliasi Vunivalu [Storm} - that many felt were forward - were "judgment calls" made in real time with the officials in good positions to rule.
The referees' boss has given his verdict on that supposed 33rd minute try.
Roosters offer mixed views on Bunker blunder try
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Even the Sydney Roosters players are a little confused over whether teammate Sean O'Sullivan scored a try in his first NRL game, with winger Danial Tupou confessing it was "a lucky one".
As the Roosters were collecting their bags from the Sydney airport baggage carousel on Monday after arriving home from the 20-12 win over the Gold Coast, NRL referees boss Bernard Sutton was ruling that the 33rd-minute should have been disallowed.
He said the officials had determined that because the ball slid down the goal post behind O'Sullivan, it had been knocked backward. That was the position Roosters coach Trent Robinson maintained on Sunday in the post-match press conference and again to reporters on Monday.
"However, once it touched the ground it constituted a knock on and should have been ruled that way," Sutton said.
It had no bearing on the final result, but the controversy raged. Roosters players seemed to be having a bet each-way 24 hours after the match.
"I reckon it was a lucky try, meaning that we'd never seen one like that," Tupou told NRL.com.
"Again I'm happy it got the green light because of the occasion – it was his debut and it was a close game."
Five-eighth Luke Keary wants a closer look at the replays again.
"I don't know, I haven't watched it back," Keary said on Monday. "But just from looking at it on the big screen we thought it was a try. I'd have to watch it back I reckon."
Lock Isaac Liu was willing to pass the judgment to higher authorities.
"Well the refs called it and I thought he did re-gather it," he said. "But it's on the refs – they called it."
Liu was firm in the belief of the win's significance – an away match with five key players out and three debutants in the line-up.
"Definitely it was a good win for us. We trained well and we wanted to play that Roosters footy even with the new boys in there and they did well," he said.
"It was crazy with all three [debutants] scoring tries. ... I was thinking 'Man this is a good win here'. All three scoring was pretty special."
Sutton also gave his version of events on a separate ruling that had Sea Eagles fans up in arms, when backrower Joel Thompson was ruled offside in the 14-13 loss to Storm on Saturday.
Sutton said the officials had made the correct call.
He said the ball travelled forward off Trent Hodkinson to Thompson, who was in an offside position. Thompson deliberately played at the ball from an offside position.
"So it was a correct decision to award a penalty to the Storm," Sutton said.
Sutton also said the passes leading to tries by Poasa Faamausili [Roosters] and Suliasi Vunivalu [Storm} - that many felt were forward - were "judgment calls" made in real time with the officials in good positions to rule.
JunctionBlock
Moderator
"It had no bearing on the result".......thanks, not sure about that but I guess we can all move on and live happily ever after.
#we are all Harold
(had to add spaces or it looked like "we a real Harold" and that's just confusing.)
#we are all Harold
(had to add spaces or it looked like "we a real Harold" and that's just confusing.)
5 Year Contract
Rep Player
Even if it did have a bearing on the game it makes sweet FA difference as it wouldnt change the result. Nah lets just let the bunker and refs shamble on to the next monumental stuff up and then when a team gets jipped in the finals ole toddy will just shrug and the wheel of **** will continue to roll on. Not good enough if there is a dropped to QCup for video referees then those in charge last night needs to be dropped to manning speed cameras
Titanic
Immortal
Well that solves that ... not at all, just add the other atrocities to it then weigh-up whether it made a difference or not.